The following post was provided as a user submitted response to the question, “Is ViSalus a Scam?” …

While the continued growth and profitability of ViSalus Sciences is important, the real goal of the company is to show people how they can make their lives healthier with nutritional supplements. Those who think ViSalus is merely a scam will be sorely disappointed to learn how ViSalus really works.

How ViSalus Network Marketing Works

As a network marketing program, ViSalus trains and issues products to outside distributors who in turn sell the products in a grassroots effort to spread health and wellness to others. For distributors who understand what it takes to sell, ViSalus awards them with promotional offers. The Bimmer Club gets top sellers behind the wheel of a BMW, while the Vi-Cruise vacations to beach resorts show appreciation.

Learning how to sell with ViSalus is excellent preparation for any sales job, as our distributors go through a rigorous training program that deals with education, personal development and honing marketing skills. This kind of free business environment means that individuals are in control of what they can accomplish, keep their own hours and possibly qualify for tax breaks, all while keeping another job.

How ViSalus Works For Everyone Else

Saying that ViSalus is a scam only applies if you think any corporation is a pyramid scheme. Like real estate mogul Donald Trump said, “There’s a CEO at the top and everyone else below…a true network marketing business is the exact opposite of the traditional business model [because it] does not succeed unless it bring people to the top.”

Besides rethinking the way network marketing works, those who doubt the power of ViSalus underestimate the amount of effort and energy needed to succeed in a competitive sales market. Not everyone has what it takes to be a salesperson, which means that the people who are fit for the job need to shut out the negativity that surrounds them. Individuals are as successful as what they put into it. Do not be skeptical about your own success!

It takes a special person to be able to accomplish something as small as a sale and as significant as a change in a person’s lifestyle. With ViSalus and the right combination of ambition and vision, these goals can become a reality. Stop buying into pessimism and start living a healthier, more prosperous life with ViSalus Sciences.

Simple answer, No.

The only reason that I started this post was for those who are concerned about the scam headline, “Is ViSalus deceiving college kids?” (that appears in search results when when you Google ViSalus) but don’t notice the dates of those posts. I have the full dialogue regarding this “ViSalus Scam” below for your reference, but there are a few things that I would like to point out that may save you some valuable time in your research.

This post originated 3-22-06 with the final post on 5-10-06 In my opinion it is outdated and no longer relevant as ViSalus continues to grow.
The dialogue in these posts is generated by 3 individuals who slander other companies habitually - in my opinion, they have nothing better to do than create misleading arguments
PathConnect.com is a successful “sister company” of ViSalus and has continued to grow since these false claims of ViSalus deceiving college kids as well
Ryan Blair has become even more successful since the time of these posts and has made many appearances on major networks (search YouTube for Ryan Blair)

Based on that last fact, I would like to point out one of the latter posts that is a direct attack on Ryan Blair and the challenge that was made:

…trust me, this company wont be around 3 years from now.

Looks like they are! LOL and continuing to innovate with the launch of Vi-Net.

If you would still like to read the posts for yourself, here they are:

Is Visalus deceiving college kids?

For those of you unaware of what this is about, Visalus, a health and wellness MLM company, has started a “blog” website at www.pathconnect.com. Among other things, this site has a “we are hiring” page, which reads as follows:
Quote:
At Pathconnect, we are always looking for creative-minded individuals to come on board and contribute to our team.

We are currently hiring in the Marketing, Web-design, and Sales departments. We are a rapidly-growing company led by a team of young, energetic professionals. This is an amazing opportunity to work with and learn from Ryan Blair on an almost daily basis while you enjoy our company’s generous perks and compensation structure.

If you consider yourself a hard-working individual who is motivated by success, achievement, and serious money, there is no reason not to apply right now!

We get a number of requests each day from people wanting to come on board and learn from the best. In order to show us why we can’t afford not to hire you right now, please provide a brief answer to each of the following questions.

No resumes!
Please e-mail ANSWERS TO THE FOLLOWING 7 QUESTIONS to info@pathconnect.com.

1. Based on your research of the company, our websites, and this opportunity, what qualifications do you think you have that will exceed our expectations?
2. What is your most impressive accomplishment thus far?
3. What are your top 3 goals for the next 12 months?
4. What is your most valuable asset?
5. Where do you need to personally grow the most?
6. When are you available to start?
Thank you,

Human Resources
It is my position that this company is using this blog as a pure recruiting tool for their MLM. I think it is clear from the above quotation that the only job anyone is going to be offered is a career as a Visalus rep (no resumes indeed!). The quote above is designed to make the prospects/college kids think they are only going to be “hired” for this job if they are “special”, when in reality, anyone who wants in is getting in (without pay, of course, only commissions).

Blogs like www.myspace.com are fine, and there are TONS of people in the MLM industry on that site trying to build their businesses. But there is no one MLM company behind that site recruiting for their own purposes. And if there was, you can bet NO ONE would be joining. So our friends at Visalus learned a few lessons from myspace:

1) Lot of impressionable young folks spend time on these boards, and they are a great place for recruiting here in the year 2006
2) They (Visalus) could build there OWN version, and use the blog SOLELY to recruit people for THEIR business, thereby eliminating the competition from other networkers on myspace.

If this is indeed the case, I believe this is one of the most deceptive practices I have ever seen in this industry, and this company should be BURIED for it.

Other interesting things I’ve seen around here on this: Visalus CEO Ryan Blair gets $500.00 per person for speaking engagements (yeah, right), and one person on the Visalus thread was absurd enough to claim he/she had joined Visalus as a rep “just to see Blair speak for free” (I’m still laughing over THAT claim). And someone on the IGI thread has stated that many of that failed, defunct, rotten entity’s leadership has now moved to Visalus. I cannot verify this, but am waiting to hear from those who know. It has also been claimed that this company is making a concerted effort to recruit “heavies” from other companies in the industry. Again, I have no knowledge of this, but am raising it as a point of discussion in case anyone HAS seen this type of behavior. Finally, it is claimed that Visalus is hitting college campuses HARD and giving away a fee iPod to the student at each college who SIGNS UP THE MOST PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE. That, my friends, is a BIG red flag.

If the things mentioned in here are all true — and I do believe the part about www.pathconnect.com is on the money — well, folks, this is a microcosm of EVERYTHING that is wrong with this industry. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive.”

C’mon, folks. Tell me I’m wrong about this. Tell me WHY I’m wrong. Tell me why being a part of this is NOT selling your soul to the devil.

P.S. A key element of the mentor relationship is that the mentor has nothing to gain by helping his/her pupil. This whole thing flys in the face of that credo.

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
Sorry Open, i wish that i could tell you that you were wrong…. but your not. Everything about this company is shady to say the least.

I guess we can only take solice in the fact that we know it wont be around 4 or 5 years from now. Of course, unfortunately, the leadership… including this Blair fellow, will have moved on to the next “opportunity.”

ugh…. another black-eye for the industry… its company’s like this that make it all the harder for regular guys like me that are just trying to raise a family and make some extra cash in network marketing.

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I have posted on the Visalus - Too Good To Be True Site and saw that this new place had started. If anybody has any question about how awful this is they should just read Open Questions posting above and especially the ‘We Are Hiring’ page from the pathconnect web site Visalus is trying to hide that it is a Visalus site.

This really needs to be gotten out to as many people as is possible because these college kids can be hurt by the thousands. My friend told me one girl - just one girl on one campus got over 1500 students to sign up and she won the Ipod that Visalus said it would give to the person who signed up the most to the path connect site.

This Ryan Blake is telling all of the people in the cities where he is going to get people to sign up in Visalus that they will have thousands of leads that the company will give them but the people listening to him don’t know he is lying about these leads and that these leads are mostly college kids who think they are signing up for a mentor to help them get successful.

This is just about the worst thing almost that I have heard up to now and this information just has to get out.

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One other key omission in the Visalus “help-wanted” ad above that speaks volumes: if they are REALLY looking for paid employees, how come there is no mention of WHERE these jobs are located? Are we really naive enough to believe that’s not a vital fact? Do companies located in Portland, Maine advertise for help in Portland, Oregon? Nope, they don’t.

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wooooooooooooooooooow…. I agree 100% with you Open Question. The funny part is the “We are currently hiring in the Marketing, Web-design, and Sales departments” part. It’s pretty obvious that they want reps… they’re just saying it in a deceptive way. Someone who didn’t know any better really would think that this was a legitimate job. Pure deception. What a great company.

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I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it’s the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals… whether it’s just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

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Originally Posted by April47
wooooooooooooooooooow…. I agree 100% with you Open Question. The funny part is the “We are currently hiring in the Marketing, Web-design, and Sales departments” part. It’s pretty obvious that they want reps… they’re just saying it in a deceptive way. Someone who didn’t know any better really would think that this was a legitimate job. Pure deception. What a great company.

i know…. and if there was an industry out there that didnt need another black eye, it is network marketing…. looks like there will be another black eye right around the corner with a company like this in the mix!

cscirpoli….if you are reading these posts and arent replying due to shame or embarrassment (which i am guessing that you are)… please feel free to jump in at anytime. there is no reason to be embarrassed, we all make mistakes. look…. it takes a big man to admit that they got sucked in by the company’s “charismatic” leadership and made a foolish mistake by joining a crooked company that obviously has no morals, scruples, or integrity.

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The really sad part.. aside from the recruiting deception… is that they charge $135 a month for their pill-form vitamins. $135!! I think that’s a bit of a rip-off.

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I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it’s the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals… whether it’s just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by April47
The really sad part.. aside from the recruiting deception… is that they charge $135 a month for their pill-form vitamins. $135!! I think that’s a bit of a rip-off.

a total joke…. the only person dumber than one of the suckers that would actually buy those vitamins are the idiots that join the company as a rep…

oh, wait… the reps are the only ones buying the vitamins… all on autoship i’m sure!

what a joke. its a shame…

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
Bump it up! This topic makes me sick, and it needs to stay near the top of the heap.

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Originally Posted by openQuestion
Bump it up! This topic makes me sick, and it needs to stay near the top of the heap.

BUMP!

c’mon people…. we need to get the word out that this company is a deceitful hoax, and that they are using very deceptive business practices…!!!!

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Originally Posted by BIGfranky75
BUMP!
c’mon people…. we need to get the word out that this company is a deceitful hoax, and that they are using very deceptive business practices…!!!!
Anyone who has specific FACTS about what they are doing on college campuses, and how they are using www.pathconnect.com to recruit these kids while hiding behind and corrupting the time-honored practice of mentoring, please do post that information here. Creeps like this have to be exposed for what they are.

And where have you gone, cscirpoli??

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by openQuestion
Anyone who has specific FACTS about what they are doing on college campuses, and how they are using www.pathconnect.com to recruit these kids while hiding behind and corrupting the time-honored practice of mentoring, please do post that information here. Creeps like this have to be exposed for what they are.

And where have you gone, cscirpoli??
trust me Open, he is here…. he has read every post on these threads. he is just embarrassed and partly ashamed. the simple fact of the matter is he has partnered up with people that have a less than healthy moral compass.

i just hope that when he resurfaces, he doesnt play the “i was out building my business” card. i am assuming he will have the integrity to admit that he made a mistake….

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Originally Posted by BIGfranky75
trust me Open, he is here…. he has read every post on these threads. he is just embarrassed and partly ashamed. the simple fact of the matter is he has partnered up with people that have a less than healthy moral compass.

i just hope that when he resurfaces, he doesnt play the “i was out building my business” card. i am assuming he will have the integrity to admit that he made a mistake….
I wouldn’t begin to speculate, but I hope that’s not the case. Everyone needs to remember that these guys are PROFESSIONALS at what they do. They know how to handle EVERY objection that is raised, and they are experts at getting people to buy into what they are selling. They have been well-trained and have heard every objection 100 times over. There is no shame in coming back here and saying “they ARE swine, you were right and I was wrong”…if indeed that’s what he is feeling. And if what I wrote at the top of this thread is indeed accurate, then I will lose all respect for him if does not come out strongly against this abortion…because what they are doing is WRONG on every level there is. And anyone defending it needs to check THEIR moral compass, because it ain’t working.

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by BIGfranky75
trust me Open, he is here…. he has read every post on these threads. he is just embarrassed and partly ashamed. the simple fact of the matter is he has partnered up with people that have a less than healthy moral compass.

i just hope that when he resurfaces, he doesnt play the “i was out building my business” card. i am assuming he will have the integrity to admit that he made a mistake….
Big franky let’s talk about integrity of companies. I know for a fact the founders have let someone in your company off the hook for slamming gas, and phone companies on multiple occasions. Let’s talk about integrity, the only real way to make money in ACN is signing people up. How big are your comma checks and how many customers do you have in your downline. There’s no margine, 1/4% on your customers. Give me a break. and most of your downline will not reside on your 7th level. A friend of mine in ACN figured it out 1 million dollars in billing equals a 15k residual income. That’s over 4000 reps with 6 customers each. That means your basically the only one making any kind of strong residual income. out of 4k reps, about 20 people are making any kind of residual money. The real money came from signing people up and ACN just proved that when they changed the comp plan. So i see you jumping on the bandwagon i just have to laugh… I left ACN because they did nothing when my upline sponsor slammed 300 customer points under my position to boost me to TC so they could hit RVP…

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by openQuestion
I wouldn’t begin to speculate, but I hope that’s not the case. Everyone needs to remember that these guys are PROFESSIONALS at what they do. They know how to handle EVERY objection that is raised, and they are experts at getting people to buy into what they are selling. They have been well-trained and have heard every objection 100 times over. There is no shame in coming back here and saying “they ARE swine, you were right and I was wrong”…if indeed that’s what he is feeling. And if what I wrote at the top of this thread is indeed accurate, then I will lose all respect for him if does not come out strongly against this abortion…because what they are doing is WRONG on every level there is. And anyone defending it needs to check THEIR moral compass, because it ain’t working.
What you wrote is not correct. Pathconnect is a marketing opportunity for Visalus as well as other advertisers. The target age of pathconnect is 35 - 65. Not college kids. They were testing marketability to college kids with the IPOD’s. Seeing how they would take to a mentor based site. The amount of actual Visalus recruiting would be minimal to the actual advertising revenue it could get from the goal specific advertising they are looking to create. It woiuld be like Myspace on steroids to advertisers looking hit people in a certain target market, becuase they specifically know what that person is looking for from their goals. The visalus aspect is actually geared more towards people that are looking for Network Marketing companies, or are actively looking for a business opportunity.

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by cscirpoli
Big franky let’s talk about integrity of companies. I know for a fact the founders have let someone in your company off the hook for slamming gas, and phone companies on multiple occasions. Let’s talk about integrity, the only real way to make money in ACN is signing people up. How big are your comma checks and how many customers do you have in your downline. There’s no margine, 1/4% on your customers. Give me a break. and most of your downline will not reside on your 7th level. A friend of mine in ACN figured it out 1 million dollars in billing equals a 15k residual income. That’s over 4000 reps with 6 customers each. That means your basically the only one making any kind of strong residual income. out of 4k reps, about 20 people are making any kind of residual money. The real money came from signing people up and ACN just proved that when they changed the comp plan. So i see you jumping on the bandwagon i just have to laugh… I left ACN because they did nothing when my upline sponsor slammed 300 customer points under my position to boost me to TC so they could hit RVP…
Holy crap. I didn’t know your upline did that. There are a LOT of shady people in ACN. I had quite the shady upline myself… which is one of the many reasons why I also got out of the company.

and does anyone actually look at the ads on myspace? haha… cause I don’t. I’m there to keep in touch with long-lost friends… not look at advertisements.

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I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it’s the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals… whether it’s just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

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Originally Posted by April47
Holy crap. I didn’t know your upline did that. There are a LOT of shady people in ACN. I had quite the shady upline myself… which is one of the many reasons why I also got out of the company.

and does anyone actually look at the ads on myspace? haha… cause I don’t. I’m there to keep in touch with long-lost friends… not look at advertisements.
whether they look at them or not, it doesn’t matter, its called branding. You see the name of the company/product, and it’s brands it into your head. Advertising get’s almost no one to buy, but it provides valuable exposure, cause people buy the brand they know best. So when your in the store, whatever name you have seen the most of a particular product you will buy.

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I don’t know, but I can’t even tell you what ads were on there when I looked at my page a few minutes ago. I don’t pay any attention to them at all. I would think that you’d have to at least glance at the ads in order for them to stick in your head.

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I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it’s the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals… whether it’s just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by April47
I don’t know, but I can’t even tell you what ads were on there when I looked at my page a few minutes ago. I don’t pay any attention to them at all. I would think that you’d have to at least glance at the ads in order for them to stick in your head.
April i’m not trying to be rude, but it’s not about what you think in this instance. Its about what pyschologically has been proven. Its about the simple fact that this is a well known form of advertising. And they’ve been doing it for years.

Thank about it this way: Say the first name brand that pops into your head.

When i say, what was the most recent movie you thought about seeing?

A:

What is the Laundry detergent you always think of?

A:

What broadband phone company do you know about?

A:

What internet dating website do you hear about a lot?

A:

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by cscirpoli
April i’m not trying to be rude, but it’s not about what you think in this instance. Its about what pyschologically has been proven. Its about the simple fact that this is a well known form of advertising. And they’ve been doing it for years.

Thank about it this way: Say the first name brand that pops into your head.

When i say, what was the most recent movie you thought about seeing?

A:

What is the Laundry detergent you always think of?

A:

What broadband phone company do you know about?

A:

What internet dating website do you hear about a lot?

A:

I know exactly what you were trying to say… I was sort of messing with you. Although, a lot of that stuff doesn’t work with me. I mainly stick with the brands that I’ve always used or that my family uses… no matter what I see advertised.

When I DO buy stuff that I’ve seen advertised, I’ve seen it in advertisements that I was pretty much forced to view… such as TV commercials and magazine ads in my Cosmo and Parenting mags. I pay absolutely NO attention to the ads on the internet. That might also be because I have dialup and it takes 3 hours for the ads to even load.

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I do not believe that MLM/Network Marketing is a bad business model. I believe it’s the shady people in MLM that make it LOOK bad. As long as you work hard, run your business ethically, and work with ethical people, then MLM can help you reach your financial goals… whether it’s just to make extra money on the side or a full-time income.
Last edited by April47 : 03-25-2006 at 11:33 PM.

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
ok sorry, i miss online sarcasm easily

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by cscirpoli
What you wrote is not correct. Pathconnect is a marketing opportunity for Visalus as well as other advertisers. The target age of pathconnect is 35 - 65. Not college kids. They were testing marketability to college kids with the IPOD’s. Seeing how they would take to a mentor based site. The amount of actual Visalus recruiting would be minimal to the actual advertising revenue it could get from the goal specific advertising they are looking to create. It woiuld be like Myspace on steroids to advertisers looking hit people in a certain target market, becuase they specifically know what that person is looking for from their goals. The visalus aspect is actually geared more towards people that are looking for Network Marketing companies, or are actively looking for a business opportunity.
You are free to believe what you wanna believe. So am I. What the heck are THOSE guys going to MENTOR anyone on other than MLM?? They are nothing but manipulators. Take a look at the “employment” page and guess how they will use pathconnect.

I think you probably have good intentions with this, but you are simply wrong about these guys. It happens. Lord knows it has happened to me.

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Originally Posted by openQuestion
You are free to believe what you wanna believe. So am I. What the heck are THOSE guys going to MENTOR anyone on other than MLM?? They are nothing but manipulators. Take a look at the “employment” page and guess how they will use pathconnect.

I think you probably have good intentions with this, but you are simply wrong about these guys. It happens. Lord knows it has happened to me.
Like i said before, I have a policy, innocent until proven guilty. These guys have done nothing to prove they are guilty of anything but trying to build a company. And until they do something un ethical or un-moral. I will trust them.

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Originally Posted by cscirpoli
Like i said before, I have a policy, innocent until proven guilty. These guys have done nothing to prove they are guilty of anything but trying to build a company. And until they do something un ethical or un-moral. I will trust them.
And like I said before, you trust who you wanna trust. And I’ll stick to my guns with these guys. There is NO WAY their intention with that site is as advertised, and that employment page they have up there is just one clue to that. What they are doing is deceptive and wrong, period.

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Originally Posted by cscirpoli
What you wrote is not correct. Pathconnect is a marketing opportunity for Visalus as well as other advertisers. The target age of pathconnect is 35 - 65. Not college kids. They were testing marketability to college kids with the IPOD’s. Seeing how they would take to a mentor based site. The amount of actual Visalus recruiting would be minimal to the actual advertising revenue it could get from the goal specific advertising they are looking to create. It woiuld be like Myspace on steroids to advertisers looking hit people in a certain target market, becuase they specifically know what that person is looking for from their goals. The visalus aspect is actually geared more towards people that are looking for Network Marketing companies, or are actively looking for a business opportunity.
Oh, Please! I am in the very bottom of that age range and I don’t buy for a second that 35-65 year olds are looking for mentors. That site is clearly targeting youngsers from 18-28 or so. Tell your little friends at Visalus to try and mentor ol’ mom here and I will straighten them out on a few things. Anyone over 35 looking for a business opportunity is a stay at home mom or clearly desperate to make a living. Charging them $125 a month for blasted vitamins is not going to help their financial situation, especially when we consider that 54% of Mela’s recurits make a whopping $8.67 a month and more than 80% can’t make enough to cover their product purchases. Give us a break!

Soaopboxmom

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Oh, Please! I am in the very bottom of that age range and I don’t buy for a second that 35-65 year olds are looking for mentors. That site is clearly targeting youngsers from 18-28 or so. Tell your little friends at Visalus to try and mentor ol’ mom here and I will straighten them out on a few things. Anyone over 35 looking for a business opportunity is a stay at home mom or clearly desperate to make a living. Charging them $125 a month for blasted vitamins is not going to help their financial situation, especially when we consider that 54% of Mela’s recurits make a whopping $8.67 a month and more than 80% can’t make enough to cover their product purchases. Give us a break!

Soaopboxmom
and i also don’t buy for a second that you would ever seek out mentoring. The mindsets of the wealthy and mindsets of the middle class and poor are very very very different. And people in those age ranges would love to seek out mentorship, as well reach out and mentor other people…they just don’t happen to have a convienant avenue to do it.

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Originally Posted by cscirpoli
and i also don’t buy for a second that you would ever seek out mentoring. The mindsets of the wealthy and mindsets of the middle class and poor are very very very different. And people in those age ranges would love to seek out mentorship, as well reach out and mentor other people…they just don’t happen to have a convienant avenue to do it.
Apparently, they still don’t. And nice generalizations and age prejudice, too. Keep digging the hole deeper…

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
HELP WANTED

At Mr. Blair’s company, FVA Ventures, Inc., we are always looking for creative-minded individuals to come on board and contribute to our team.

We are currently hiring in the Marketing, Web-design, and Sales departments. We are a rapidly-growing company led by a team of young, energetic professionals. This is an amazing opportunity to work with and learn from Ryan Blair on an almost daily basis while you enjoy our company’s generous perks and compensation structure.

If you consider yourself a hard-working individual who is motivated by success, achievement, and serious money, there is no reason not to apply right now!

We get a number of requests each day from people wanting to come on board and learn from the best. In order to show us why we can’t afford not to hire you right now, please provide a brief answer to each of the following questions.

No resumes!
Please e-mail ANSWERS TO THE FOLLOWING 7 QUESTIONS to info@pathconnect.com.

1. Based on your research of the company, our websites, and this opportunity, what qualifications do you think you have that will exceed our expectations?

2. What is your most impressive accomplishment thus far?

3. What are your top 3 goals for the next 12 months?

4. What is your most valuable asset?

5. Where do you need to personally grow the most?

6. When are you available to start?

Thank you,

Human Resources

FVA Ventures, Inc.

Copyright © 2005 Ryan Blair | All rights reserve

omigosh….. guys this is from Ryan Blairs own website! UNBELIEVABLE…. its just like the pathconnect scam-lie!!!! this guy has absolutely ZERO integrity… note the email address tha tyou are supposed to send your request to be considered for a “job”…. its the same address as pathconnect! how blatant can a scam artist be? so now he is not only a liar, cheat and a thief… he is arrogant as well? (big surprise)…. just read his bio…its a joke! trust me, this company wont be around 3 years from now. unfortunately….ryan blair will be peddling some other hope and a dream to other suckers that have no self-worth so they have to grab onto this clowns lies to achieve a feeling of acceptance! how sad.

c’mon cscirpoli…. you arent going to tell me that this guy is actually hiring are you? with the same blatant “hiring” crap that was on his other deceitful scam? how can you keep defending this giant LIAR?!?!?!!?

ryan blair is deceitful, sneaky, and has no morals! unbelivable!

here is his link so people can see for themselves what a scam artist this guy is…

http://www.rjblair.com/nowhiring.htm

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
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HELP WANTED
At Mr. Blair’s company, FVA Ventures, Inc., we are always looking for creative-minded individuals to come on board and contribute to our team.

We are currently hiring in the Marketing, Web-design, and Sales departments. We are a rapidly-growing company led by a team of young, energetic professionals. This is an amazing opportunity to work with and learn from Ryan Blair on an almost daily basis while you enjoy our company’s generous perks and compensation structure.

If you consider yourself a hard-working individual who is motivated by success, achievement, and serious money, there is no reason not to apply right now!

We get a number of requests each day from people wanting to come on board and learn from the best. In order to show us why we can’t afford not to hire you right now, please provide a brief answer to each of the following questions.

No resumes!
Please e-mail ANSWERS TO THE FOLLOWING 7 QUESTIONS to info@pathconnect.com.

1. Based on your research of the company, our websites, and this opportunity, what qualifications do you think you have that will exceed our expectations?

2. What is your most impressive accomplishment thus far?

3. What are your top 3 goals for the next 12 months?

4. What is your most valuable asset?

5. Where do you need to personally grow the most?

6. When are you available to start?

Thank you,

Human Resources

FVA Ventures, Inc.

Copyright © 2005 Ryan Blair | All rights reserve

omigosh….. guys this is from Ryan Blairs own website! UNBELIEVABLE…. its just like the pathconnect scam-lie!!!! this guy has absolutely ZERO integrity… note the email address tha tyou are supposed to send your request to be considered for a “job”…. its the same address as pathconnect! how blatant can a scam artist be? so now he is not only a liar, cheat and a thief… he is arrogant as well? (big surprise)…. just read his bio…its a joke! trust me, this company wont be around 3 years from now. unfortunately….ryan blair will be peddling some other hope and a dream to other suckers that have no self-worth so they have to grab onto this clowns lies to achieve a feeling of acceptance! how sad.

c’mon cscirpoli…. you arent going to tell me that this guy is actually hiring are you? with the same blatant “hiring” crap that was on his other deceitful scam? how can you keep defending this giant LIAR?!?!?!!?

ryan blair is deceitful, sneaky, and has no morals! unbelivable!

here is his link so people can see for themselves what a scam artist this guy is…

http://www.rjblair.com/nowhiring.htm
Just another guy who’s figured out how to make “real” money in network marketing: start or buy a company and be a motivational speaker. He’s a just a bit smarter and sneakier than some of the others, it appears.

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
I joined that sham of a website www.pathconnect.com just to see what would happen. I will report on the experience as it develops. But within FOUR MINUTES of joining, I already had Ryan Blair listed as a “buddy” and had been hit with a ham-handed MLM approach from a Jesus-loving MLM disciple from a DIFFERENT company called Quest International! That led to a run-of-the-mill presentation that seems lifted from, among other things, Rich Dad Poor Dad’s bag of tricks with the quadrant’s etc. Nice.

So we’ll see what else develops on this “mentoring” site. I noted that a bunch of the features do not even work as yet, including the ones that allow you to search members and connect with mentors. Just lovely.

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Originally Posted by openQuestion
I joined that sham of a website www.pathconnect.com just to see what would happen. I will report on the experience as it develops. But within FOUR MINUTES of joining, I already had Ryan Blair listed as a “buddy” and had been hit with a ham-handed MLM approach from a Jesus-loving MLM disciple from a DIFFERENT company called Quest International! That led to a run-of-the-mill presentation that seems lifted from, among other things, Rich Dad Poor Dad’s bag of tricks with the quadrant’s etc. Nice.

So we’ll see what else develops on this “mentoring” site. I noted that a bunch of the features do not even work as yet, including the ones that allow you to search members and connect with mentors. Just lovely.
they actually have the same developers that created myspace working on it right, expect the fully revamped version out in a few weeks. They are doing a dry run that’s closed to the public next friday. How do i know that, I met the team that was working on it at the LA office a few nights ago. We were there making some phone calls with the new team. Oh just about 5000$ in volume our first month. Say congratulations.

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I guess this is the one I should have bumped up. Oh well. The more the merrier. If you expect PathConnect to be accepted as a legitimate mentoring site, REMOVE the phony baloney “Now Hiring” link! It’s just a shady way to get people into the Visalus business, and it s*u*cks to high heaven

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by openQuestion
I guess this is the one I should have bumped up. Oh well. The more the merrier. If you expect PathConnect to be accepted as a legitimate mentoring site, REMOVE the phony baloney “Now Hiring” link! It’s just a shady way to get people into the Visalus business, and it s*u*cks to high heaven

agreed! hopefully us bumping this up will bring it back to the forefront of discussion…. as it seems things are cooling over at the other mela thread.

Bump!!!!

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Bump!!!!! Get back up there where ya belong.

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Originally Posted by openQuestion
Bump!!!!! Get back up there where ya belong.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT…

If this has been said before, then I apoligize in advance. But…

One of the most used phrases you hear at business opportunity meetings is …

“Get AWAY for your J.O.B” (J.O.B= Just Over Broke) …NO I DO NOT USE THIS PHRASE. It’s retarded.

But, why in the HECK would they put “NOW HIRING”. The first thing I think about when I hear the word HIRING is “JOB”. Defeats the purpose of being in an MLM. Pretty stupid.

Just my opinion.

Much success.

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FYL’s response to ACNs revenue their 5th year in business:

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
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[i][u][b]But, why in the HECK would they put “NOW HIRING”. The first thing I think about when I hear the word HIRING is “JOB”. Defeats the purpose of being in an MLM. Pretty stupid.

Just my opinion.

Much success.
I’m sure you know the answer to that one: because MORE PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT IT IF THEY THINK THERE’S A PAYING JOB TO BE HAD. If they put “business opportunity in network marketing” — which is the truth of it — people would recognize them for the rats they must be for using a site like that to build their networking business. They are being deceptive and low class. Period.

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I’m sure you know the answer to that one: because MORE PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT IT IF THEY THINK THERE’S A PAYING JOB TO BE HAD. If they put “business opportunity in network marketing” — which is the truth of it — people would recognize them for the rats they must be for using a site like that to build their networking business. They are being deceptive and low class. Period.

Open,

I know their reason. I’m just trying to say it’s not right.

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FYL’s response to ACNs revenue their 5th year in business:

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by openQuestion
I’m sure you know the answer to that one: because MORE PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT IT IF THEY THINK THERE’S A PAYING JOB TO BE HAD. If they put “business opportunity in network marketing” — which is the truth of it — people would recognize them for the rats they must be for using a site like that to build their networking business. They are being deceptive and low class. Period.
agreed…

cscirpoli…where are you? are you hiding on us? :rolleyes:

let me guess… you are busy out there “building your business….”

gag…

hey…. remember you were going to post your checks …. that deadline is fast approaching… where do we stand?

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by PowerOfCards
Open,
I’m just trying to say it’s not right.
Yes, I realize that. And no, it is not right in any way. I HATE it when MLM people use Career Builder and stuff like that to recruit. If it’s not a J-O-B, it has no business being on a JOB board, and those who do that are nothing but a bunch of liars, plain and simple. That’s one of my pet peeves, in case you can’t tell.

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by openQuestion
Yes, I realize that. And no, it is not right in any way. I HATE it when MLM people use Career Builder and stuff like that to recruit. If it’s not a J-O-B, it has no business being on a JOB board, and those who do that are nothing but a bunch of liars, plain and simple. That’s one of my pet peeves, in case you can’t tell.

Open,

It is kind of funny if you think about it. You click on “Now Hiring” thinking you are going in to a regular 9-5, only to have someone contacting you saying “YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY ME XXX TO START YOUR EMPLOYMENT”. Man O Man!

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FYL’s response to ACNs revenue their 5th year in business:

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by PowerOfCards
Open,
It is kind of funny if you think about it. You click on “Now Hiring” thinking you are going in to a regular 9-5, only to have someone contacting you saying “YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY ME XXX TO START YOUR EMPLOYMENT”. Man O Man!

Is it me, or can anyone else see these guys sitting around and snickering like Mr. Burns over their brilliant idea to bring MILLIONS of prospects into Visalus by using the pathconnect website? Sickening thought, isn’t it?

Re: Is Vis[B]HELP WANTEDalus deceiving college kids?
Just can’t stand to see these guys drop to Page Two. Their big, fat lie of a “help-wanted” page remains on the PathConnect site, as they continue to try and deceive unsuspecting college kids and others.

So bump!!!!!!!!!

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
Bump!!!!

I agree Open. one thing i have learned about these threads is when an MLM’er (in general) in a particular company knows that something is wrong with that opportunity (whether it is shady, deceitful, etc.) and they know that they cant “win” their arguement…or at least prove their point. they dissappear.

they know that they cant back up the ridiculous, embarrassing claims that they made so they just ignore the thread (at least they dont post in it anymore….no doubt they read it) and hope that it goes away.

i’ve seen it here and in the melaleuca threads. its a shame…cuz then an important thread with very scary topics such as this one fades off into the sunset….which is just what the hucksters want…

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
you’re such a sham big franky, you know nothing about Visalus, you have not seen anything about the company, your company affords no opportunity for the average person to make a small residual income on a monthly basis, i know people that are TC’s that aren’t making 500$/month in residual, so don’t give me your scam BS, get off your high horse and why don’t you give us your name, your occupation and let us rip your past apart, and see exactly how much integrity you have, you won’t…cause you are just another anonymous poster, who doesn’t have any proof of any wrong doing. Just something you believe to be unethical, who made you the decider of what is ethical or not?

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
I’m sorry but, as I read this entire thread I can’t help but feel all you MLMrs are like the fleas fighting over the dog.

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by cscirpoli
you’re such a sham big franky, you know nothing about Visalus, you have not seen anything about the company, your company affords no opportunity for the average person to make a small residual income on a monthly basis, i know people that are TC’s that aren’t making 500$/month in residual, so don’t give me your scam BS, get off your high horse and why don’t you give us your name, your occupation and let us rip your past apart, and see exactly how much integrity you have, you won’t…cause you are just another anonymous poster, who doesn’t have any proof of any wrong doing. Just something you believe to be unethical, who made you the decider of what is ethical or not?
quite frankly …. i just dont understand this. it isnt the first time you have made this request from me or from others… why does someone have to post their identity and personal info on these threads to satisfy you?

read my posts…i am active in ACN. i have been very critical of not only the company, but of many specific “leaders” (top-producers) as well. i have been EXTREMELY critical of network marketing in general. why would i give my idenitity? that would make absolutely no sense. for the comments i’ve made in the past…i probably would have my status deactivated if i didnt have any “connections.”

so get off of this kick about trying to discredit people if they dont post all of their personal info…its ridiculous and it doesnt help your arguement.

your right, i dont know a whole lot about visalus… but what i do know, i dont like. and not you, VOR, of any of the other ryan blair wannabes have been able to convince me, or anyone else, otherwise. what of all these rumors about visalus’ cashflow problems, the shady history of the company that is kept “hidden” (free network), the quack paid-off “doctors” that “endorse” the product, the “mentoring” website, bringing over all of the hucksters from IGI, concentrating their recruiting on the hispanic population and college kids…. why dont you address those issues (there is plenty there to keep you busy!) instead of attacking people because they dont want their personal info all over the net? give me a break…

hey…when you first joined visalus (back in late february, i believe)…you stated to everyone that you would post your checks no matter how much you did or didnt make….you said that we would be surprised! boy o boy…july is right around the corner!!!! looking forward to that!

Re: Is Visalus deceiving college kids?
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Originally Posted by BIGfranky75
quite frankly …. i just dont understand this. it isnt the first time you have made this request from me or from others… why does someone have to post their identity and personal info on these threads to satisfy you?

read my posts…i am active in ACN. i have been very critical of not only the company, but of many specific “leaders” (top-producers) as well. i have been EXTREMELY critical of network marketing in general. why would i give my idenitity? that would make absolutely no sense. for the comments i’ve made in the past…i probably would have my status deactivated if i didnt have any “connections.”

so get off of this kick about trying to discredit people if they dont post all of their personal info…its ridiculous and it doesnt help your arguement.

your right, i dont know a whole lot about visalus… but what i do know, i dont like. and not you, VOR, of any of the other ryan blair wannabes have been able to convince me, or anyone else, otherwise. what of all these rumors about visalus’ cashflow problems, the shady history of the company that is kept “hidden” (free network), the quack paid-off “doctors” that “endorse” the product, the “mentoring” website, bringing over all of the hucksters from IGI, concentrating their recruiting on the hispanic population and college kids…. why dont you address those issues (there is plenty there to keep you busy!) instead of attacking people because they dont want their personal info all over the net? give me a break…

hey…when you first joined visalus (back in late february, i believe)…you stated to everyone that you would post your checks no matter how much you did or didnt make….you said that we would be surprised! boy o boy…july is right around the corner!!!! looking forward to that!
I said i would post my checks in 6 months. It’s only been 3… 2nd. You don’t know anything about the doctor, yes the government gives money to quacks that don’t know anything, especially quacks that created degrees at Universities like U of Michigan. What leadership that was directly involved in IGI upper echelon is in Visalus??? Tell me, I haven’t heard any rumors of cashflow problems, just one guy in here, saying it. Other than that, I dont see where you get it from. My very first training, I was told the complete background of the company, including that it came from Free Network. Nothing new or hidden there…The only college kids being recruited right now, is being done so by me, I basically have the youngest group in the company. So here we come full circle, your just going off other people uniformed, unsubstianated claims, very comfortably from your chair. You give no one a clue who you are, which speaks volumes for your integrity. Stop hiding behind a screen, substiatiate your claims, and let us know who you are, for all we know you could actually be someone with a criminal record for fraud…

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What leadership that was directly involved in IGI upper echelon is in Visalus???
Didn’t sky cover this already numerous times?
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The only college kids being recruited right now, is being done so by me, I basically have the youngest group in the company.
That I don’t believe for a second, and honestly, you can’t be expected to know what kind of recruiting is going on nationwide within the company. Sarnacola and Mallen did nothing BUT recruit college kids, and I can’t believe they are changing they modus operandi now.
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Originally Posted by cscirpoli
You give no one a clue who you are, which speaks volumes for your integrity. Stop hiding behind a screen, substiatiate your claims, and let us know who you are, for all we know you could actually be someone with a criminal record for fraud…
This is just STUPID, Chris. Who franky is, who April is, who I am or who YOU are is simply meaningless to this discussion, and it certainly has ZIP to do with integrity. I really can’t understand why you insist on constantly bringing this up. It is totally irrelevant.

AND TAKE DOWN THE HELP-WANTED AD ON PATHCONNECT. You are LYING to people with that ad, same as the low-road MLMers who place ads on CareerBuilder and such. It’s not right, and you are rationalizing if you state otherwise. Any right-thinking person knows it is simply WRONG. That has been my main beef with the company since the beginning, and it remains so. Other than that, Visalus is no different for many other MLMs out there. It is run-of-the-mill, period.

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Originally Posted by openQuestion
Didn’t sky cover this already numerous times?

That I don’t believe for a second, and honestly, you can’t be expected to know what kind of recruiting is going on nationwide within the company. Sarnacola and Mallen did nothing BUT recruit college kids, and I can’t believe they are changing they modus operandi now.

This is just STUPID, Chris. Who franky is, who April is, who I am or who YOU are is simply meaningless to this discussion, and it certainly has ZIP to do with integrity. I really can’t understand why you insist on constantly bringing this up. It is totally irrelevant.

AND TAKE DOWN THE HELP-WANTED AD ON PATHCONNECT. You are LYING to people with that ad, same as the low-road MLMers who place ads on CareerBuilder and such. It’s not right, and you are rationalizing if you state otherwise. Any right-thinking person knows it is simply WRONG. That has been my main beef with the company since the beginning, and it remains so. Other than that, Visalus is no different for many other MLMs out there. It is run-of-the-mill, period.
Says you Open, you are not the king of ethics, nor is franky…there is nothing wrong with posting MLM on Careerbuilder, just because you don’t believe it’s a valid form of creating income doesn’t mean it isnt.. So again, get off the high horse. I mean if that’s your only gripe, then you’re really reaching…as for sky, none of the people he accused Visalus of dealing with are even in Visalus. So stop bumping the thread, and get a life…

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