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The following is an excerpt (well, maybe a little more than an “excerpt”) from a popular forum for notorious for slandering companies in the network marketing space. The truth is, this forum is over-run by negative people who use the guise of inteligent dialgue in slandering companies, from what we gather, just for fun. It is amazing to read through this forum (not just this thread) but countless others of threads, claiming that avon and sears - yes, even Sears the retail giant - are both scams. They claim that all of these companies are scams yet when asked if they themselves or anyone they knew had found ViSalus to not be everything that they claim to be and they are unable to answer those questions. The reason is, ViSalus is truly a legitimate network marketing opportunity!
Feel free to browse the dialogue below and if you have any doubts on the legitimacy of ViSalus, their products, their company, their business model, please don’t hesitate to leave a comment and give EVERYONE an opportunity to respond - not just the ones who live on negative energy and slandering up and coming business opportunities.
The Mega-Vitamin Mega-Myth
FOXNEWS.COM
Monday, March 05, 2007 By Steven Milloy
Another nutrition myth went down the drain this week. It seems that antioxidant vitamins don’t quite live up to their hype.
Researchers reviewing 68 studies on the effect of antioxidants on life span reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association this week that consumption of beta carotene, vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin E and selenium, whether singly or combined, did not reduce the risk of premature death.
If anything, the researchers concluded, there was actually a slight increase in risk of premature death among antioxidant supplement takers (with the exception of vitamin C and selenium).
Antioxidants have been hypothesized to reduce the oxidative damage to the body caused by so-called “free radicals.” Some have suggested that antioxidant supplements may reduce the risk of cancer and heart disease. Such claims helped fuel the growth of the multi-billion dollar nutritional supplement industry.
The researchers didn’t conduct new experimental research. Instead, they conducted a systematic review of the results of 68 studies involving 232,606 antioxidant supplement users, combing their results using a controversial statistical technique known as “meta-analysis.”
The conclusion that antioxidant supplements don’t appear to help you live longer is likely on a sound footing. Even without statistically combining the studies through meta-analysis, it’s fairly clear that antioxidant supplements are ineffective for increasing longevity.
Of the 68 studies examined, 66 studies reported no statistically significant association between supplement use and longevity. The remaining two studies actually reported statistically weak increases in premature death with supplement use.
One strength of this analysis is that longevity is perhaps the most objective measure of health. A potential weakness of the study – at least in terms of putting the myth to bed – is that the researchers didn’t examine whether supplement use reduced the risk of cancer or heart disease – two diseases often touted as preventable by antioxidant use. This shortcoming may enable the supplement industry to keep making unproven claims about antioxidants preventing those two diseases.
The study’s other conclusion concerning the risk of antioxidant supplements increasing the risk of premature death rests on shaky ground, however.
The researchers reported that beta-carotene supplements taken singly, vitamin A supplements taken singly or in combination with other antioxidant supplements; and vitamin E supplements taken singly or in combination with other antioxidant supplements were associated with 6 percent, 16 percent and 4 percent, respectively, increases in risk of premature death among the study group.
Although the three reported increases in risk were statistically significant, this is not likely a reason to fret about supplement use.
All three results are relatively weak statistical correlations that would require large, well-designed, and carefully controlled clinical trials to confirm. But since there’s no apparent health benefit from taking these supplements to begin with, there’s probably little reason to take them or to study them further.
It will be interesting to see what impact this study has on the nutritional supplement industry. A Google search on “antioxidant” produced advertisements proclaiming, “Natural Antioxidant = Better Health”; and “Naturally Remove Free Radicals.”
A search on “beta-carotene” produced, “Reduce Cancer and Disease.”
A “vitamin E” search produced “Feel Strong. Be Healthy” and “You can look and feel 20 years younger than you actually are.”
Then there’s the vitamin C industry that’s been built around double-Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling, perhaps the most prominent promoter of the notion that mega-doses of vitamin C improve health.
In his highly publicized 1970 book “Vitamin C and the Common Cold,” Pauling claimed that taking 10 times the recommended daily allowance of vitamin C reduced the incidence of colds by 45 percent. In his 1986 book, “How to Feel Better and Live Longer,” Pauling claimed that mega-doses of vitamins “can improve your general health … increase your enjoyment of life and can help in controlling heart disease, cancer, and other diseases and in slowing down the process of aging.”
As Quackwatch.org’s Dr. Stephen Barrett points out, “Although Pauling’s mega-vitamin claims lacked the evidence needed for acceptance by the scientific community, they have been accepted by large numbers of people who lack the scientific expertise to evaluate them. Thanks largely to Pauling’s prestige, annual vitamin C sales in the United States have been in the hundreds of millions of dollars for many years.”
While the jury is probably still out on whether typical use of antioxidant supplements pose any sort of long-term health risk, it is possible to overdose on antioxidants, particularly vitamin A. With respect to Pauling and mega-doses of vitamin C, Dr. Barrett says, “The physical damage to people he led astray cannot be measured.”
None of this is to say that no nutritional supplement can have any value under any circumstances. But before falling blindly for claims made by the nutritional supplement industry, you should probably do your own research and check with your physician.
Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and CSRWatch.com. He is a junk science expert, and advocate of free enterprise and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255920,00.html
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Another nutrition myth went down the drain this week. It seems that antioxidant vitamins don’t quite live up to their hype.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255920,00.html
‘the myth went down the drain this week’ but the article is dated March 5 2007…is that correct?
it is a good read
thanks
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Originally Posted by jebaroo
‘the myth went down the drain this week’ but the article is dated March 5 2007…is that correct?
it is a good read
thanks
New new book to be released later this month:
Vitamin Myth Exposed
by Brian Clement
Publisher: Healthful Communications, Inc.
Pub. Date: May 28, 2008
ISBN: 193375446X
ISBN-13: 9781933754468
Format: Hardcover, 166pp
and another…
The Vitamin Pushers : How the Health Food Industry Is Selling America a Bill of Goods
Stepehn Barett, M.D. & Victor Herbert, M.D., J.D., forward by Gabe Mirkin, M.D.
Prometheus Books, Amherst, New York, 1994
Synopsis
Have Americans been conned by the health-food industry into taking vitamins they don’t need? Two distinguished physicians say yes! Drs. Stephen Barrett and Victor Herbert present a detailed and comprehensive picture of the multibillion-dollar health-food industry, which, they charge, has amassed its huge fortunes mostly by preying on the fears of uninformed consumers. Based on twenty years of research, The Vitamin Pushers addresses every aspect of this lucrative business and exposes its widespread misinformation campaign. The authors reveal how many health-food companies make false claims about products or services, promote unscientific nutrition practices through the media, show little or no regard for the rules of scientific testing and evidence, and often skirt the law in their schemes for making quick profits while eluding government watchdog agencies. Drs. Barrett and Herbert counter the phony assertions of health-food hucksters with reliable, scientifically based nutrition information, and they suggest how the consumer can avoid “getting quacked.” They also include five useful appendices on balancing your diet, evaluating claims made for more than sixty supplements and food products, and much more. The Vitamin Pushers is a much-needed expose of a nationwide scam, which will definitely save you money and might even save your life.
“Stephen Barrett may be the most visible face fighting health fraud”– USA Today
and an article..
Science & the vitamin myth
WHY BUY AND TAKE WHAT YOU DON’T NEED—IT MAY HARM MORE THAT YOUR PURSE.
The British medical journal LANCET reported that, “9,000 in every one million users of vitamin supplements will die prematurely as a result of taking something they think is good for them.”
http://skeptically.org/kooks/id11.html
In my opinion it ludicrous for anyone –even the all knowing “tinnitus” (i.e. ringing in the ears) expert Dr. Seidman– to purport know what is necessary to achieve optimal health for everyone. Common sense tells you the nutritional/ vitamin/ mineral requirements for a 10 year old boy are quite different than that of an 80 year old woman… or a pregnant 25 year old… yet Visalus is a “one size fits all” miracle product.
What medical doctor ever told any of you that you were deficient in any of these ingredients… much less all of them? Self diagnosis that leads to self treatment can be costly, ineffective and even dangerous.
Visalus/ Vi-Pak is just one more in a long line of overpriced, overhyped “feel good” junk products whose overriding purpose is to drive money into an MLM.
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In MHO here is part of the problems these people selling these products don’t understand.
4. Third Party Literature
Dietary supplement advertisers should be aware that the use of newspaper articles, abstracts of scientific studies, or other “third party literature” to promote a particular brand or product can have an impact on how consumers interpret an advertisement and on what claims the advertiser will be responsible for substantiating. For purposes of dietary supplement labeling, Section 5 of DSHEA provides an exemption from labeling requirements for scientific journal articles, books and other publications used in the sale of dietary supplements, provided these materials are reprinted in their entirety, are not false or misleading, do not promote a specific brand or manufacturer, are presented with other materials to create a balanced view of the scientific information, and are physically separate from the supplements being sold.
The FTC will generally follow an approach consistent with the labeling approach when evaluating the use of such publications in other contexts, such as advertising. Although the FTC does not regulate the content or accuracy of statements made in independently written and published books, articles, or other non-commercial literature, FTC law does prohibit the deceptive use of such materials in marketing products. The determination of whether the materials will be subject to FTC jurisdiction turns largely on whether the materials have been created or are being used by an advertiser specifically for the purpose of promoting its product. As a practical matter, publications and other materials that comply with the elements of the DSHEA provision, particularly with the requirement that such materials be truthful, not misleading and balanced, are also likely to comply with FTC advertising law.
Example 36: An author publishes a book on the curative properties of an herb. The book title is “The Miracle Cancer Cure.” The book does not endorse or otherwise mention any particular supplement brand. The author/publisher does not sell the herbal supplement and does not have any material connection to any marketers of the herb. As non-commercial speech, the book itself would not be subject to the FTC’s jurisdiction over advertising. However, if a marketer of the herb referred to the book in advertising materials (for instance, by quoting the title and using excerpts to describe the anti-cancer benefits of its product), such references would likely be considered advertising. The advertiser would be responsible for substantiating any claims about the advertiser’s product that are conveyed by these references.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/…/dietsupp.shtm
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Just like always, Skyvoyager messes with the little fish and posts ambiguous articles that have nothing to do with the mentioned company itself.
Anyone who listens to this quack is doing themselves a serious disservice.
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wow… open, i couldnt agree with you more. horrible, simply horrible. and your right, this is the type of thing that gives all MLM’s a bad reputation.
unfortunately, it is common for network marketing companies to “attack” the college age kids. actually, there has been some issues with that in ACN, and actually there have been some de-activations because of it. there were a couple of groups that were living on college campuses recruiting at “career fairs” and the uplines were encouraging these kids to drop out…. what was happening was there were literally houses near these college campuses that would be filled with these kids…. almost liek a cult. as soon as ACN caught wind of it, the uplines that started these practices were deactivated and lost thier positions…. that kind of behavior hurts more than just the company, it hurts the industry (not even mentioning how these poor kids are being hurt!). the thing is, usually the company itself doesnt promote that kind of behavior and tries to snuff it out when it occurs, it seems that in this case, it is actually the company that is promoting that kind of thing!
trying to hide behind the facade of a “career counselor/mentor” is underhanded, unethical, and completely shameful. they are also trying to market this websie like its a pseudo-myspace! wow. it is very sneaky and to me shows a very dark side of the upper management if they are willing to put their reputations on the line to go ahead and sign up for this kind of dishonest marketing ploy. companies like this dont last long, and i dont see visalus being around 5 or 6 years from now with the business being run this way with management like that. i guess only time will tell.
it should be interesting to see Cscirpoli’s take on this. i cant imagine him actually defending it…. definitely anxcious for his take on it though.
After visiting this site and reading about Visalus I went to the BBB to see what I could find, what I found is that after being in busness for three years there are only two complaints about this company. So I ask myself where is all of this infomation coming from? How can someone like myself be able to find out this type of information? I saw the site for the Doctor and I did some research on Ryan Blair but for everything else I am still trying to find valid information instead of word of mouth which can sometimes be distorted. One of the products that I saw was the weight loss product and I noticed that it cost $150 + shipping and handling, some people have paid way more than that at the hopes of losing weight.
If this company is so bad than why is it still allowed to go on? After three years and all the complaints that I have read on the internet why don’t more people complain to the powers that be and end the madness? or just like a lot of people that have hyped up this company the same goes for people that are hyping up complaints? I am just trying to understand both sides of the debate.
http://detroit.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Repor…&firm=05000435
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Because 99% of it is unfounded my friend. 
If you are here for longer than 5 minutes, you can see that skyvoyager recycles his same generic posts through each and every thread.
This site is essentially just a breeding ground for people who are bitter because they have been burned in MLM - for one reason or another.
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Because 99% of it is unfounded my friend.
If you are here for longer than 5 minutes, you can see that skyvoyager recycles his same generic posts through each and every thread.
This site is essentially just a breeding ground for people who are bitter because they have been burned in MLM - for one reason or another.
Actually most sane people recognize skyvoyager’s posts as dead on the mark regarding facts. It seems to be the peddliers of these get-rich-quick drive a beamer schemes who miss the point. EX my post on Third Party Literature posted above.
You just can’t will these schemes to be real because you invested in them. Get real!
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Will them to be real? That’s laughable…
Yes, at one time I was involved in a Networking company, and big surprise I made money in it. I’m no longer involved however, and haven’t been for quite a good while.
I am open-minded, and I do look from time-to-time, but don’t dilude yourself into thinking something different.
Skyvoyager’s posts are a joke, sad to say it. They are often statistics that are credible, but have little to do with the topic at hand.
If I went into a Ford Mustang enthusiasts website where they were discussing aftermarket performance engines and started posting threads about the importance of various motor oils I suppose in some weird way it would be slightly relevant, but I would get laughed off of them because its not ON TOPIC. Sadly, with these boards that type of logic seems to fly.
If he wants to discredit the company, talk about THE COMPANY don’t post vague messages with outdated links about the potency of various Vitamin C tablets.
I’m going to close this message out with the little smiley guy that spins in circles, because he reminds me of skyvoyager in that way.
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umm, cscipoli, then you DON’T know who the original founder was. Because his name sure ain’t on the website anymore. But he made his money in construction. And his first name rhymes with “neato”.
Get some education before posting your nonsense. The original owner is not Vito, Mr. Neato. Your wires are crossed for sure, just as stated a few posts back. Do you need something to do with your time? I have an excellent opportunity for you to check out if so……
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This site is essentially just a breeding ground for people who are bitter because they have been burned in MLM - for one reason or another.
Ummm… that’s why it’s called “SCAM.com” ya goober! There are plenty of pro-MLM sites out there where you guys can recruit new cult members
Regarding your “breeding ground of bitterness” comment –the breeding and burning takes place in the world of MLM.. not here!!!! People come here AFTER they’ve been screwed. Still others actually do some due dilligence and avoid being fleeced by the info posted here.
For the record: I have never EVER been involved in any MLM/Network Marketing/Direct Selling/Pyramid or Ponzi scheme in any shape, form or fashion. Rather, I am a vehement anti MLMer and scambuster with a long history of doing just that. People can click on my name and check my postings to see a list of the scams that I’ve fought which are no longer in business as well as one criminal who was just sentenced to prison in April.
I’m not saying Visalus is run by criminals or is even operating illegally. I just think it’s a grossly overpriced, overhyped, “magical mystery product” designed to make a few people rich at the direct expense of others who are misled or deluded into believing all they have to do is “work the plan” and they too will become rich. Sheesh
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Sky, you YOURSELF admitted to me that you had close friends and family members who were burned in mlm opportunities in the past.
Don’t act like you don’t have ties to the situation, because you do.
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Sky, you YOURSELF admitted to me that you had close friends and family members who were burned in mlm opportunities in the past.
Don’t act like you don’t have ties to the situation, because you do.
You wrote “this site is a breeding ground for people who are bitter because they have been burned in MLM - for one reason or another.” And I replied that I’ve never been involved in any of these scams. Therefore it follows that I’m neither “burned or bitter.”
The great thing about Scam.com is that anyone can click on my name and read every statement I’ve ever made on here. I have said in the past that I do indeed have a relative who’s a sucker for these things and –after 30 years of chasing various MLM “pie-in-the-sky” scams– he is poorer than ever for the wasted time, energy and money he has thrown down these rat holes.
So how does that make ME “burned and bitter?” Do you think everyone has to be “burned and bitter” to fight against something they are convinced is (at best) highly deceptive if not downright illegal?
Take Chris Hansen of NBC’s “To Catch A Predator” series. Does he as well as the people from ‘Perverted Justice’ and every police officer have to be personally “burned and bitter” in order to have the motivation to fight activity that is obviously wrong?
What’s your point?
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That site is registered to Visalus. Mentor my bobo. I would just respectfully disagree on one thing with OpenQuestion. I don’t think any of these MLM companies is an improvement. I would recommend that one be cautious of all of them. Many of these MLMs target college students, stay at home moms and folks desperate for extra money. Many also openly discourage reps from getting more education, because if they did they would realize what a limited opportunity MLM represents for the vast majority of folks.
I thought that was quite hilarious when I discovered that Visalus’ very own Dr. Quack was already peddling his overpriced vitamins on his own website and blogs. If they were so truly phenomenal than companies would be fighting for the rights to make them and place them on the retail shelves of America. But products that make it out there have to be competitvely priced or clearly superior and more desirable than the run of the mill products. Whole Foods has many products that I feel are worth the extra cost because they are clearly completely different from their lower priced counterparts. So, the fact these products get peddled through the MLM channel tells one exactly what they are…………..
I am going to pick on you for a moment Brenda. You have been with Melaleuca for a good bit of time, but as of yet have not made it your full time job. If it is such a lucrative and stable opportunity why have you not dropped the other job you are working and made it a full time venture for yourself. Is it because you simply can’t make a real living with it? Out of 190,000 folks in Mela as of the end of 2004 I only counted 3000 folks making $15,000 or more per year. Only a handful are making any kind of living with Mela and I believe we can safely say the same will be true for Visalus. I don’t care if Frank V thinks 20,000 make a primary living. I am looking at the actual earnings and I am still not seeing the opportunity with these MLMs. I think Frank’s ridiculous statement just illustrates the point Openquestion made about “There are very, very few companies in this one who are open and honest.”
Soapboxmom
Dang I thouht it would take forever to let the cat out of the bag, Way to go SBM!
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But in all reality they are all just following the leader.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do…89802739458876
But just how smart are these leaders that they flaunt on stage? http://www.amquix.info/quixtar_britt_stung.html
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Because 99% of it is unfounded my friend.
If you are here for longer than 5 minutes, you can see that skyvoyager recycles his same generic posts through each and every thread.
This site is essentially just a breeding ground for people who are bitter because they have been burned in MLM - for one reason or another.
I have taken ViSalus products and I have enjoyed them. It wasn’t until I became a distributor that I became aware of this site. I am a college graduate with a degree in business finance. I am well educated and I have made investments before but I had never participated in network marketing. If I would have found this site prior to becoming a distributor for ViSalus I would not have signed up. The good news is I did sign up and I am having success. Network marketing is not for everybody. If you are looking for a get rich scheme than you should look else were however, in any network marketing business there is the potiential of making alot of money. Pharmaceutical companies sell products and make money so why can’t Dr. Seidman? Which by the way he has a degree in human nutrition and he is a scientist.
I have purchased products before from different companies and paid more money for the products and they did not work. This product works for me and that is why I support Visalus. Lets take making money out of the equation and just focus on the product, I feel that is worth the price by it self and all of the other perks are bonuses.
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I have taken ViSalus products and I have enjoyed them. It wasn’t until I became a distributor that I became aware of this site. I am a college graduate with a degree in business finance. I am well educated and I have made investments before but I had never participated in network marketing. If I would have found this site prior to becoming a distributor for ViSalus I would not have signed up. The good news is I did sign up and I am having success. Network marketing is not for everybody. If you are looking for a get rich scheme than you should look else were however, in any network marketing business there is the potiential of making alot of money. Pharmaceutical companies sell products and make money so why can’t Dr. Seidman? Which by the way he has a degree in human nutrition and he is a scientist.
I have purchased products before from different companies and paid more money for the products and they did not work. This product works for me and that is why I support Visalus. Lets take making money out of the equation and just focus on the product, I feel that is worth the price by it self and all of the other perks are bonuses.
I see you have little interest in the history of scams and Pyramids or you would have looked at my post before your post.
Actually it makes you appear as a person who doesn’t have a clue yet happy to spam this forum, pimping another over priced lotion and potion.
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I have taken ViSalus products and I have enjoyed them. It wasn’t until I became a distributor that I became aware of this site. I am a college graduate with a degree in business finance. I am well educated and I have made investments before but I had never participated in network marketing. If I would have found this site prior to becoming a distributor for ViSalus I would not have signed up. The good news is I did sign up and I am having success. Network marketing is not for everybody. If you are looking for a get rich scheme than you should look else were however, in any network marketing business there is the potiential of making alot of money. Pharmaceutical companies sell products and make money so why can’t Dr. Seidman? Which by the way he has a degree in human nutrition and he is a scientist.
I have purchased products before from different companies and paid more money for the products and they did not work. This product works for me and that is why I support Visalus. Lets take making money out of the equation and just focus on the product, I feel that is worth the price by it self and all of the other perks are bonuses.
OK, for the sake of argument… I’ll temporarily dispense with idea that Visalus is a worthless product (I’ll even concede that Visalus Vitamins are about as good as anything comparable out there.. including Flintstone Chewables 
or a scammy “get rich quick” scheme.
The question I pose is this: What is the real world, fair market value of Visalus Vitamins? Many will argue Visalus is worth whatever the public is willing to pay. But is that really true in this case? I argue that it >>is not<< because Visalus isn’t operating in a true, free “retail” marketplace. As is true with virtually every MLM (especially consumable/ nutritional MLM’s) their “public”… the people who consume the vast bulk ofthe product.. overwhelmingly consists of the MLM’s membership/ distributors, their immediate families and new recruits who come and go.
How do you prove this? Simple —set some boxes of Visalus/ViPak on a shelf in a major retail store next to all the other suppliments.. price it at what you guys are paying for it.. and see how much actually sells to the non-member public.
The answer is next to none.
So why would anyone pay such overinflated prices –compared to their non-MLM vitamin competitors– for a product that has not been PROVEN “effective” (i.e. the right ingredients in the right dosages for EVERYONE)? Again, the answer is simple.
People reluctantly swallow these high prices as the price required in order to “pay to play” in the Visalus get-rich-quick game.
MLM cults members reason “How can I possibly hope to be successful if I don’t consume the stuff myself? Afterall, I need my own personal testimony of miraculous results in order to recruit others. And how can I possibly hope to be successful if you don’t convert my family, friends and associates?” And after you exhaust all those, you’re told you now need to buy leads, pay for internet advertising, books, tapes, videos, attend rallies, etcccc. (these ‘add-on’ products are the 2nd tier stream of income that flow directly upline from the low men on the totem pole).
“Curiosity” wrote that he likes the products and has made money. Who can argue with that? But I guarantee you the bulk of the money he has made came to him from those other members “downline” from him and not from simply selling the product at retail to the no-member public. Visalus is not really “retailable” and, I believe, fails to comply with the FTC’s “70% rule.”
“Curiosity” also wrote “in any network marketing business there is the potiential of making alot of money.” This is the mantra.. the endless drumbeat of the MLM snake oil salesmen. The key word is “potential”… but what are the real odds of success for the average guy?
Every MLM can quickly and easily post the “actual sales of the average member.” Yet they all refuse to do so because that would unmask their game of delusion and deception.
Yes it’s “possible” for a few people to make money in MLM.. it’s just not “probable” that even half ever will. The vast majority never even recover what they spend in these “businesses” of theirs.
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OK, for the sake of argument… I’ll temporarily dispense with idea that Visalus is a worthless product (I’ll even concede that Visalus Vitamins are about as good as anything comparable out there.. including Flintstone Chewables or a scammy “get rich quick” scheme.
The question I pose is this: What is the real world, fair market value of Visalus Vitamins? Many will argue Visalus is worth whatever the public is willing to pay. But is that really true in this case? I argue that it >>is not<< because Visalus isn’t operating in a true, free “retail” marketplace. As is true with virtually every MLM (especially consumable/ nutritional MLM’s) their “public”… the people who consume the vast bulk ofthe product.. overwhelmingly consists of the MLM’s membership/ distributors, their immediate families and new recruits who come and go.
How do you prove this? Simple —set some boxes of Visalus/ViPak on a shelf in a major retail store next to all the other suppliments.. price it at what you guys are paying for it.. and see how much actually sells to the non-member public.
The answer is next to none.
So why would anyone pay such overinflated prices –compared to their non-MLM vitamin competitors– for a product that has not been PROVEN “effective” (i.e. the right ingredients in the right dosages for EVERYONE)? Again, the answer is simple.
People reluctantly swallow these high prices as the price required in order to “pay to play” in the Visalus get-rich-quick game.
MLM cults members reason “How can I possibly hope to be successful if I don’t consume the stuff myself? Afterall, I need my own personal testimony of miraculous results in order to recruit others. And how can I possibly hope to be successful if you don’t convert my family, friends and associates?” And after you exhaust all those, you’re told you now need to buy leads, pay for internet advertising, books, tapes, videos, attend rallies, etcccc. (these ‘add-on’ products are the 2nd tier stream of income that flow directly upline from the low men on the totem pole).
“Curiosity” wrote that he likes the products and has made money. Who can argue with that? But I guarantee you the bulk of the money he has made came to him from those other members “downline” from him and not from simply selling the product at retail to the no-member public. Visalus is not really “retailable” and, I believe, fails to comply with the FTC’s “70% rule.”
“Curiosity” also wrote “in any network marketing business there is the potiential of making alot of money.” This is the mantra.. the endless drumbeat of the MLM snake oil salesmen. The key word is “potential”… but what are the real odds of success for the average guy?
Every MLM can quickly and easily post the “actual sales of the average member.” Yet they all refuse to do so because that would unmask their game of delusion and deception.
Yes it’s “possible” for a few people to make money in MLM.. it’s just not “probable” that even half ever will. The vast majority never even recover what they spend in these “businesses” of theirs.
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OK, for the sake of argument… I’ll temporarily dispense with idea that Visalus is a worthless product (I’ll even concede that Visalus Vitamins are about as good as anything comparable out there.. including Flintstone Chewables or a scammy “get rich quick” scheme.
The question I pose is this: What is the real world, fair market value of Visalus Vitamins? Many will argue Visalus is worth whatever the public is willing to pay. But is that really true in this case? I argue that it >>is not<< because Visalus isn’t operating in a true, free “retail” marketplace. As is true with virtually every MLM (especially consumable/ nutritional MLM’s) their “public”… the people who consume the vast bulk ofthe product.. overwhelmingly consists of the MLM’s membership/ distributors, their immediate families and new recruits who come and go.
How do you prove this? Simple —set some boxes of Visalus/ViPak on a shelf in a major retail store next to all the other suppliments.. price it at what you guys are paying for it.. and see how much actually sells to the non-member public.
The answer is next to none.
So why would anyone pay such overinflated prices –compared to their non-MLM vitamin competitors– for a product that has not been PROVEN “effective” (i.e. the right ingredients in the right dosages for EVERYONE)? Again, the answer is simple.
People reluctantly swallow these high prices as the price required in order to “pay to play” in the Visalus get-rich-quick game.
MLM cults members reason “How can I possibly hope to be successful if I don’t consume the stuff myself? Afterall, I need my own personal testimony of miraculous results in order to recruit others. And how can I possibly hope to be successful if you don’t convert my family, friends and associates?” And after you exhaust all those, you’re told you now need to buy leads, pay for internet advertising, books, tapes, videos, attend rallies, etcccc. (these ‘add-on’ products are the 2nd tier stream of income that flow directly upline from the low men on the totem pole).
“Curiosity” wrote that he likes the products and has made money. Who can argue with that? But I guarantee you the bulk of the money he has made came to him from those other members “downline” from him and not from simply selling the product at retail to the no-member public. Visalus is not really “retailable” and, I believe, fails to comply with the FTC’s “70% rule.”
“Curiosity” also wrote “in any network marketing business there is the potiential of making alot of money.” This is the mantra.. the endless drumbeat of the MLM snake oil salesmen. The key word is “potential”… but what are the real odds of success for the average guy?
Every MLM can quickly and easily post the “actual sales of the average member.” Yet they all refuse to do so because that would unmask their game of delusion and deception.
Yes it’s “possible” for a few people to make money in MLM.. it’s just not “probable” that even half ever will. The vast majority never even recover what they spend in these “businesses” of theirs.
First, I made the initial investment and that was to sample the product myself. After receiving it and having positive results I gave it to some acquaintances of mine. Once they enjoyed the samples and wanted to purchase more, I figured I could profit off of this as well. I have not deceived any college students as a matter of fact that is not my focal group. I approach people that I know that have tried things that did not work for them, and if I am giving them a FREE SAMPLE what do they have to lose? That is how I ended up supporting this company and its products. Yes, there are many vitamins on the market and I have purchased a lot over the years, no-one is going after them for their products for not working! So I asked myself do I listen to a group of people that try and discredit a product, which by the way does work for me, or do I continue to feel better by using a high priced product that works. I have lost a lot of money on products that did not work, so why not spend the extra money for one that does! Your opinions are just that, yours! I am not here to recruit anyone I just want people to know that there is more to this story and all of it is not negative. If you are interested in the company, do your own homework and if possible get a sample from someone they know. If they don’t like it they can move on and tell of their experience and if they like it they can do the same.
Yes this is a MLM but this product works for me. If you had a product that worked which was expensive I would support it just the same. People like things that work so take the MLM out of the equation and just focus on the product and the results.
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OK, for the sake of argument… I’ll temporarily dispense with idea that Visalus is a worthless product (I’ll even concede that Visalus Vitamins are about as good as anything comparable out there.. including Flintstone Chewables or a scammy “get rich quick” scheme.
The question I pose is this: What is the real world, fair market value of Visalus Vitamins? Many will argue Visalus is worth whatever the public is willing to pay. But is that really true in this case? I argue that it >>is not<< because Visalus isn’t operating in a true, free “retail” marketplace. As is true with virtually every MLM (especially consumable/ nutritional MLM’s) their “public”… the people who consume the vast bulk ofthe product.. overwhelmingly consists of the MLM’s membership/ distributors, their immediate families and new recruits who come and go.
How do you prove this? Simple —set some boxes of Visalus/ViPak on a shelf in a major retail store next to all the other suppliments.. price it at what you guys are paying for it.. and see how much actually sells to the non-member public.
The answer is next to none.
So why would anyone pay such overinflated prices –compared to their non-MLM vitamin competitors– for a product that has not been PROVEN “effective” (i.e. the right ingredients in the right dosages for EVERYONE)? Again, the answer is simple.
People reluctantly swallow these high prices as the price required in order to “pay to play” in the Visalus get-rich-quick game.
MLM cults members reason “How can I possibly hope to be successful if I don’t consume the stuff myself? Afterall, I need my own personal testimony of miraculous results in order to recruit others. And how can I possibly hope to be successful if you don’t convert my family, friends and associates?” And after you exhaust all those, you’re told you now need to buy leads, pay for internet advertising, books, tapes, videos, attend rallies, etcccc. (these ‘add-on’ products are the 2nd tier stream of income that flow directly upline from the low men on the totem pole).
“Curiosity” wrote that he likes the products and has made money. Who can argue with that? But I guarantee you the bulk of the money he has made came to him from those other members “downline” from him and not from simply selling the product at retail to the no-member public. Visalus is not really “retailable” and, I believe, fails to comply with the FTC’s “70% rule.”
“Curiosity” also wrote “in any network marketing business there is the potiential of making alot of money.” This is the mantra.. the endless drumbeat of the MLM snake oil salesmen. The key word is “potential”… but what are the real odds of success for the average guy?
Every MLM can quickly and easily post the “actual sales of the average member.” Yet they all refuse to do so because that would unmask their game of delusion and deception.
Yes it’s “possible” for a few people to make money in MLM.. it’s just not “probable” that even half ever will. The vast majority never even recover what they spend in these “businesses” of theirs.
With any thing that you do there is the “POTIENTAL” to do better. Bottom line the product is good for me and the other people that continue to use the ViSalus products. If the product was not good we would not be talking about it four years later after it went to the public. The complaints I read the most is that ViSalus is a MLM, okay it is but the product works. You, like a lot of other people focus on the MLM and not the actual product. To each it’s on, I enjoy it and I will continue to use it until I find something better.
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First, I made the initial investment and that was to sample the product myself. After receiving it and having positive results I gave it to some acquaintances of mine. Once they enjoyed the samples and wanted to purchase more, I figured I could profit off of this as well. I have not deceived any college students as a matter of fact that is not my focal group. I approach people that I know that have tried things that did not work for them, and if I am giving them a FREE SAMPLE what do they have to lose? That is how I ended up supporting this company and its products. Yes, there are many vitamins on the market and I have purchased a lot over the years, no-one is going after them for their products for not working! So I asked myself do I listen to a group of people that try and discredit a product, which by the way does work for me, or do I continue to feel better by using a high priced product that works. I have lost a lot of money on products that did not work, so why not spend the extra money for one that does! Your opinions are just that, yours! I am not here to recruit anyone I just want people to know that there is more to this story and all of it is not negative. If you are interested in the company, do your own homework and if possible get a sample from someone they know. If they don’t like it they can move on and tell of their experience and if they like it they can do the same.
Yes this is a MLM but this product works for me. If you had a product that worked which was expensive I would support it just the same. People like things that work so take the MLM out of the equation and just focus on the product and the results.
The fact that you said you “I made the initial investment to sample the product myself” is interesting –in a Freudian sort of way. Few people rarely “invest” in vitamins merely to test them for themselves. The word “invest” tells me you went into this with the intention of it becoming a profitable business for you.
Don’t get me wrong, going into business for yourself isn’t necessarily a bad thing. However it juuuust might tend to cloud ones ojectivity when it comes to evaluating the very product you’re already intending to sell.
I’m curious, just how do these products “work for you” –and how do you measure that? What are the “positive results” you speak of?
I’ve taken a variety of different suppliments over the years but –other than noticing my pee was a different color– I couldn’t begin to claim any sort of noticable physiological improvement. Any real improvement would happen over such a long time that it would hardly be noticable — much less
dramatic enough to “invest” in as a business. As far as I know the only way to accurately measure real benefits would be through scientific medical testing.
However, I don’t doubt your claims!!! When it comes to simply “feeling better,” the “placebo effect” is every bit as effective and real as any other form of treatment. Remember, “believing is seeing.” I just doubt that the real, medically measurable benefits of Visalus are worth the rediculous price. I’ll bet you the cost of ingredients is PENNIES per pill. The rest is just grease for the MLM machine.
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The fact that you said you “I made the initial investment to sample the product myself” is interesting –in a Freudian sort of way. Few people rarely “invest” in vitamins merely to test them for themselves. The word “invest” tells me you went into this with the intention of it becoming a profitable business for you.
Don’t get me wrong, going into business for yourself isn’t necessarily a bad thing. However it juuuust might tend to cloud ones ojectivity when it comes to evaluating the very product you’re already intending to sell.
I’m curious, just how do these products “work for you” –and how do you measure that? What are the “positive results” you speak of?
I’ve taken a variety of different suppliments over the years but –other than noticing my pee was a different color– I couldn’t begin to claim any sort of noticable physiological improvement. Any real improvement would happen over such a long time that it would hardly be noticable — much less
dramatic enough to “invest” in as a business. As far as I know the only way to accurately measure real benefits would be through scientific medical testing.
However, I don’t doubt your claims!!! When it comes to simply “feeling better,” the “placebo effect” is every bit as effective and real as any other form of treatment. Remember, “believing is seeing.” I just doubt that the real, medically measurable benefits of Visalus are worth the rediculous price. I’ll bet you the cost of ingredients is PENNIES per pill. The rest is just grease for the MLM machine.
I am sorry but I can not chalk this up to the “Placebo Effect” because my friends and family were not aware of the benefits the vitamins could provide. I use two of ViSalus’s products. They both are great but I really enjoy the benefits from their weight loss products. I am not jittery and it really does curve my hunger. I have tried many products and none have had the same effect. I am happy with my results and I will continue to support thier products.
I invested in the product because after sampling it I felt good but I couldn’t promote something that I have never taken. This is why I purchased different products. I feel good and I have more energy. The weigh loss program alone is worth more because it works. I have tried many different products and they did not do half of the things that Visalus is doing for me.
Most weight loss programs fail because they do not do what they are intended to do “CONTROL YOUR HUNGER”.
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I am sorry but I can not chalk this up to the “Placebo Effect” because my friends and family were not aware of the benefits the vitamins could provide. I use two of ViSalus’s products. They both are great but I really enjoy the benefits from their weight loss products. I am not jittery and it really does curve my hunger. I have tried many products and none have had the same effect. I am happy with my results and I will continue to support thier products.
I invested in the product because after sampling it I felt good but I couldn’t promote something that I have never taken. This is why I purchased different products. I feel good and I have more energy. The weigh loss program alone is worth more because it works. I have tried many different products and they did not do half of the things that Visalus is doing for me.
Most weight loss programs fail because they do not do what they are intended to do “CONTROL YOUR HUNGER”.
Why would anyone buy a product that promised no benefits?
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I am sorry but I can not chalk this up to the “Placebo Effect” because my friends and family were not aware of the benefits the vitamins could provide.
What convenced them to try the product? Was it the chance to earn Money from the sales of the product they had likey never tried?
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Save $500 - $1,000 do your due diligence, compare all the other dealer plans, then make your decision which is best for you personal needs.
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I see that most of the posts here are very mean spirited and really ignorant.
I have had to deal with Multiple Sclerosis for the last 20 years of my of my life and i’m only 38.
I used Visalus for 1 month and new that what ever they were putting in the vipak was a miricle for me.
So all you who have nothing better to do than say mlm is a scam and you can buy this at walmart are wrong in every way.
I have used everything, so I know Visalus is a miracle for me.
One more thing, I have no vested interest in saying this, as I am not even working this company.
Peace
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OK, for the sake of argument… I’ll temporarily dispense with idea that Visalus is a worthless product (I’ll even concede that Visalus Vitamins are about as good as anything comparable out there.. including Flintstone Chewables or a scammy “get rich quick” scheme.
The question I pose is this: What is the real world, fair market value of Visalus Vitamins? Many will argue Visalus is worth whatever the public is willing to pay. But is that really true in this case? I argue that it >>is not<< because Visalus isn’t operating in a true, free “retail” marketplace. As is true with virtually every MLM (especially consumable/ nutritional MLM’s) their “public”… the people who consume the vast bulk ofthe product.. overwhelmingly consists of the MLM’s membership/ distributors, their immediate families and new recruits who come and go.
How do you prove this? Simple —set some boxes of Visalus/ViPak on a shelf in a major retail store next to all the other suppliments.. price it at what you guys are paying for it.. and see how much actually sells to the non-member public.
The answer is next to none.
So why would anyone pay such overinflated prices –compared to their non-MLM vitamin competitors– for a product that has not been PROVEN “effective” (i.e. the right ingredients in the right dosages for EVERYONE)? Again, the answer is simple.
People reluctantly swallow these high prices as the price required in order to “pay to play” in the Visalus get-rich-quick game.
MLM cults members reason “How can I possibly hope to be successful if I don’t consume the stuff myself? Afterall, I need my own personal testimony of miraculous results in order to recruit others. And how can I possibly hope to be successful if you don’t convert my family, friends and associates?” And after you exhaust all those, you’re told you now need to buy leads, pay for internet advertising, books, tapes, videos, attend rallies, etcccc. (these ‘add-on’ products are the 2nd tier stream of income that flow directly upline from the low men on the totem pole).
“Curiosity” wrote that he likes the products and has made money. Who can argue with that? But I guarantee you the bulk of the money he has made came to him from those other members “downline” from him and not from simply selling the product at retail to the no-member public. Visalus is not really “retailable” and, I believe, fails to comply with the FTC’s “70% rule.”
“Curiosity” also wrote “in any network marketing business there is the potiential of making alot of money.” This is the mantra.. the endless drumbeat of the MLM snake oil salesmen. The key word is “potential”… but what are the real odds of success for the average guy?
Every MLM can quickly and easily post the “actual sales of the average member.” Yet they all refuse to do so because that would unmask their game of delusion and deception.
Yes it’s “possible” for a few people to make money in MLM.. it’s just not “probable” that even half ever will. The vast majority never even recover what they spend in these “businesses” of theirs.
Wow dude, you’ve been hanging around this thread for what 2 or 3 years now? Jesus christ. You need to find a hobby brutha…
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Why let the sales person and dealership earn hundreds when you could be putting this money in your pocket? For the first time you can actually purchase an extended warranty from someone you trust, YOURSELF.
Save $500 - $1,000 do your due diligence, compare all the other dealer plans, then make your decision which is best for you personal needs.
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Wow dude, you’ve been hanging around this thread for what 2 or 3 years now? Jesus christ. You need to find a hobby brutha…
Lol.. talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I see you’ve been pontificating on Scam.com since 2006 so I’ve got ya beat by a year. Let’s see.. my last post on this thread was in June… so I’ve not exactly been obsessed with Visalus lately. What’s your point?
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I had no direct sales experience and took a look at Visalus when the real estate market went under. I made the jump after 6 months of comparing other companies and product. Visalus had a very good product and the timing to join the company was recommend by outside highly respected business people after they look at the company and Comp Plan. They said there are not very many companies that have a comp plan that simple to run. Needless to say I joined even though the little voice said what are you doing…. We’ll I’m glad I did not listen too that voice. I picked up my Free BMW 6 weeks later with no idea what I did to get there. My upline was across country and I still did it. It only took 35 people (not all Distributors I only enrolled 3 total). So far so good. I hit next position 2 months later which is 2 levels from the top. So as for good chance for Ground floor opp I say Yes. I dont see any one else driving a free car from any other business I checked into. And I also have 6 people under me driving a free bmw. Dont mistake it is work but alot better than anyother one I looked at
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I need some information about this company, they are offering larges amounts of money to recruit people from other mlm…
We just had a bad experience with IGI, we don’t wanna fall again…
please, any kind of information, bad or good…
Thanks…
I had no direct sales experience and took a look at Visalus when the real estate market went under. I made the jump after 6 months of comparing other companies and product. Visalus had a very good product and the timing to join the company was recommend by outside highly respected business people after they look at the company and Comp Plan. They said there are not very many companies that have a comp plan that simple to run. Needless to say I joined even though the little voice said what are you doing…. We’ll I’m glad I did not listen too that voice. I picked up my Free BMW 6 weeks later with no idea what I did to get there. My upline was across country and I still did it. It only took 35 people (not all Distributors I only enrolled 3 total). So far so good. I hit next position 2 months later which is 2 levels from the top. So as for good chance for Ground floor opp I say Yes. I dont see any one else driving a free car from any other business I checked into. And I also have 6 people under me driving a free bmw. Dont mistake it is work but alot better than anyother one I looked at
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had no direct sales experience and took a look at Visalus when the real estate market went under. I made the jump after 6 months of comparing other companies and product. Visalus had a very good product and the timing to join the company was recommend by outside highly respected business people after they look at the company and Comp Plan. They said there are not very many companies that have a comp plan that simple to run. Needless to say I joined even though the little voice said what are you doing…. We’ll I’m glad I did not listen too that voice. I picked up my Free BMW 6 weeks later with no idea what I did to get there. My upline was across country and I still did it. It only took 35 people (not all Distributors I only enrolled 3 total). So far so good. I hit next position 2 months later which is 2 levels from the top. So as for good chance for Ground floor opp I say Yes. I dont see any one else driving a free car from any other business I checked into. And I also have 6 people under me driving a free bmw. Dont mistake it is work but alot better than anyother one I looked at
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I see that most of the posts here are very mean spirited and really ignorant.
I have had to deal with Multiple Sclerosis for the last 20 years of my of my life and i’m only 38.
I used Visalus for 1 month and new that what ever they were putting in the vipak was a miricle for me.
So all you who have nothing better to do than say mlm is a scam and you can buy this at walmart are wrong in every way.
I have used everything, so I know Visalus is a miracle for me.
One more thing, I have no vested interest in saying this, as I am not even working this company.
Peace
I was bitten by a shark when I was 18. I lost my left leg but was alive. It took me ten years to find visalus, but with just one week of taking the vitapak My leg started to grow back. After just 1 month, my leg had completely grown back. Anyone that says vipak isn’t magical, hasn’t had their leg bitten off by a shark and had it grow back….
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I had no direct sales experience and took a look at Visalus when the real estate market went under. I made the jump after 6 months of comparing other companies and product. Visalus had a very good product and the timing to join the company was recommend by outside highly respected business people after they look at the company and Comp Plan. They said there are not very many companies that have a comp plan that simple to run. Needless to say I joined even though the little voice said what are you doing…. We’ll I’m glad I did not listen too that voice. I picked up my Free BMW 6 weeks later with no idea what I did to get there. My upline was across country and I still did it. It only took 35 people (not all Distributors I only enrolled 3 total). So far so good. I hit next position 2 months later which is 2 levels from the top. So as for good chance for Ground floor opp I say Yes. I dont see any one else driving a free car from any other business I checked into. And I also have 6 people under me driving a free bmw. Dont mistake it is work but alot better than anyother one I looked at
I’m just curious: I’m assuming you received the Bimmer in ‘08, since we’re only 2 weeks into the new year. How is the value of the car (about 40K?) going to show as income? Will you receive a 1099 showing it’s full list price, delivered, and have to declare the entire amount as untaxed income for your state and federal tax filings?
Thanks,
Jerry
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I’m just curious: I’m assuming you received the Bimmer in ‘08, since we’re only 2 weeks into the new year. How is the value of the car (about 40K?) going to show as income? Will you receive a 1099 showing it’s full list price, delivered, and have to declare the entire amount as untaxed income for your state and federal tax filings?
Thanks,
Jerry
Well since he “Picked up the BMW” after 6 weeks, he must have earned it in about 4 weeks… (i figure it takes a week or two to deliver) And if he had earned it in 4 weeks, I guess he started talking to everyone he needed in week 1 (assuming he gave them each 2-3 weeks to decide to sign up.
Its amazing that he spent six months looking at them, but somehow managed to sign up enough people in just a few weeks to get a car…
But hey, if I can grow a leg in a month, I guess he can have the car delivered after just 6 weeks.
Re: VISALUS - It’s too good to be real!!!
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I need some information about this company, they are offering larges amounts of money to recruit people from other mlm…
We just had a bad experience with IGI, we don’t wanna fall again…
please, any kind of information, bad or good…
Thanks…
Hey, I know those guys personally, and I say they are good people. I felt like they had integrity and were putting together a good deal.
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Lol.. talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I see you’ve been pontificating on Scam.com since 2006 so I’ve got ya beat by a year. Let’s see.. my last post on this thread was in June… so I’ve not exactly been obsessed with Visalus lately. What’s your point?
Lol, yes i’ve belonged to scam.com since June 06, in the last year I’ve probably made at most 30 posts here. Regardless, its just amazing that someone would stick around on one thread for over a year, pontificating like you do…
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